Is solid edge comparable, better or worse than SW?

My first training class will be 4 days. SE plain vanilla basics...
then later, my guess not intill SE synch v2 is out will they have
training on that. and its fine with me. Im busy on other projects.

However.... I am looking for something a lot less arcane than
Inventor. I got fairly good at solid modeling using inventor in
about a month, but it was a steep learning curve. about 2 hours a
day was all I could take (video tutoring).


Then the compications of assemblies and importing files and attach had
me looking for relief.. a simpler way. So I looked at some SW
demo's...it looks a lot simpler than inventor.. is it?

Will SE be more or less arcane than SW? Comments. There must be a
reason that SW seems to be the software of choice for so many... why
isnt SE in that running? Its been around a long time and I had not
seen it mentioned at all.


Comments?



Phil Scott

 

than SW? Comments. There must be a

1. UGS doesn’t have the reseller channel that SolidWorks Corp. does.
The reason SolidWorks is so successful is they have the best reseller
channel. (VARS)

2. UGS was never very good at marketing to small and medium sized
business.

3. Everything changed when Siemens purchased UGS.

Siemens appears to be very good at marketing.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

I've used both SW & SE and SW is a lot easier to use especially if you
are needing to use incontext features when assembling the parts. In SE
you have to add extra features to use as incontext references. The
mating in assemblies is harder as well. Sketching is very similar on
both but you can't use end edges of cylinders if you need to add a
sketch relation. You have to project the curve from the end edge and use
that for relating to. It just seems like there are lots of extra steps
needed to accomplish the same thing in SW. Also the drafting in SE is
real clunky as well. Seems like it took twice as long in SE to do the
same thing in SW to get a fully dimensioned drawing.

 

IOW He's never used any of it.

 

than SW? Comments. There must be a

1. UGS doesn’t have the reseller channel that SolidWorks Corp. does.
The reason SolidWorks is so successful is they have the best reseller
channel. (VARS)

2. UGS was never very good at marketing to small and medium sized
business.

3. Everything changed when Siemens purchased UGS.

Siemens appears to be very good at marketing.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

dang... not so hot having to project geometry to create a sketch
plane.. thats how inventor works also. not near as neat as what ive
seen in SW... just click on the plane and begin the sketch. Maybe
SE21 with its claim to 'high velocity' will fix that. it also
sounds like SE does attachments similar to IV... not the best news.

SE is starting to sound a lot like inventor... maybe their next
release the 'velocity series' fixed that.. the name indicates it might
have.

That was my take on it as well after learning inventor solids...SW is
about twice as fast. More importantly to me though is that Inventor
was a lot more complex to learn as a result...SW was light years more
intuitive.


thanks,

phil scott

 

There is a good reason that Bain dumped UGS on the Germans.
Siemen's track record is certainly less than stellar when they venture
beyond their core competancy.
This is a company that spent nearly six billion dollars to create a
metalworking group that they ended up selling for 2 billion five years
later.

 

very interesting...thanks. I mentioned that inventor ran fast on
my laptop, and was ask about it.. a 2 year old compaq. and was told
SE would run at an exeedingly liesurely pace on that machine. That
statement was made apparently in context with SE's new release as
well.

before this mess is over I may turn out to be familiar with inventor/
SE/ and SW .. so far SW in the history based area at least seems to be
way ahead of the competition (not having to project edges onto sketch
planes etc... thats cumbersome especially as a model gets complex.

Phil scott

 

You have to ask yourself why this transaction was done if, in fact, the
"New" technology being touted is the be all/end all revolution is what it's
billing states.

I can well imagine that SE VAR's are dying to roll out the new product. I'm
sure Siemens, having set the price paid based on this imminent new stuff
would like them to be able to see tham do it as well. They would like to
realize some of the value they thought was underlying their purchase.

There will actually have to have a deliverable first and that might not be
reliably in the cards for a year.

What you seem to have done Phil is bought into a "bait and switch", all be
it at a good price.
Feel free to correct me if I'm wrong but you did say you went to buy
Synctech and ended up with their existing product and a promise of future
performance didn't you?

Never mind. It isn't like this is anything important. You know - like a new
super bike or anything REALLY high priority <G>

 

My guess... V1 will be out in 3 months and actually be the v2 they are
working on now.. then in another 3 to 6 months, v2.2 etc... then in
another 6 months v3...then I will be happy for what I need the
software for. .. by v5 or 6 it should be hot if it is going to
fly. I think it will in the end. its a very tall order though.

they do have the demo's though.. to get any of that to work they would
have made significant progress.


For me to stay with SE vanilla, with a need to project geometery to
sketch planes? they would have to fix that along the lines of SW...
SW demo's on their web site cover that well...thats why I came to this
NG..

SE synch if it flys will be a lot better for what i do though...

shades of that, yes.

correct again.. da flat tracker comes first, THEN the red headed
wimins...THEN the damm cad programs... Im just hoping that by the
time the dust settles I might end up with a cut and past 3D skid
package illustrator that I can import anyone elses pump or compressor
graphics into and manipulate easily... that would BE almost as hot as
new headers on the crotch rocket ... $$$$$$



Phil scott

 

But only almost, beauty being in the eye of the beerholder and all.
At least you've got your priorities straight.
LOL
I still think CAD is too far up the list but what the hell.

 

actually I never particularly liked red heads..those have just been
the hardest to deal with.. blonds and brunettes are my actual
favorites.

I am 67 now, i gotts major engineering skills..but to sell those and
related mfgrd items into an illiterate management class it takes
killer graphics..and development by use of graphics.. i need the
leverage.

On another issue, past age 40 in US culture one is an old fart its
hard to get hired unless you walk on water or are in mgmt.. at age 55
most guys can forget it given the H1B scene etc..I was out of corp
ameria at age 57.... at age 67 its totally over career wise for most
people.. including me in the job market.

Freelance and contracting of all sorts...that goes on forever if you
stay sharp, and experience is an huge advantage... so im leveraged in
that direction.


staying fit and sharp are other issues.


Phil scott

 

"Siemens PLM Software Delivers Four Millionth Teamcenter License"
"One Million New Teamcenter Licenses in Less than 15 Months"

http://www.plm.automation.siemens.c...ase.cfm?Component=60441&ComponentTemplate=822

LOL

 

"Siemens PLM Software Delivers Four Millionth Teamcenter License"
"One Million New Teamcenter Licenses in Less than 15 Months"

http://www.plm.automation.siemens.c...ase.cfm?Component=60441&ComponentTemplate=822

LOL

 

Yeah. Nothing like a fact or two is there Cliff.
Just imagine what they could do if they had the SW reseller network! Woweee!
They could even have their very own special little blob!

LOL

 

If you ask this question on a SolidWorks news group, what answer do you
expect to get? One poster who claimed to use both products, reported having
to do extra work in Solid Edge. Aside from the fact he didn't know what he
was talking about, that's the typical answer your going to get here. Check
it out for yourself. You do not need to project geometry to constrain to it
in SE, that was just pure rubbish.

 

CCS does often have mention of SE and the actual official SE
group is a private one internal to ugs.com at http://bbsnotes.ugs.com/
(I notice that they now have a free student section - otherwise you
need an account for your legal copy of SE, UG, etc.)
But the SE student section only has about 8 messages.

 

Ken,

The last time I used SE was version 16 and I HAD TO PROJECT an edge to
add constraints to the top or bottom edge of a cylinder in order to add
any type of constraint to it. The silhouette edges were fine but could
not use the circular edge if I was looking at it from the side. Perhaps
that is something that was changed in the later releases. If so then at
least they've improved that area.

 

than SW? Comments. There must be a

1. UGS doesn’t have the reseller channel that SolidWorks Corp. does.
The reason SolidWorks is so successful is they have the best reseller
channel. (VARS)

2. UGS was never very good at marketing to small and medium sized
business.

3. Everything changed when Siemens purchased UGS.

Siemens appears to be very good at marketing.

Jon Banquer
San Diego, CA
http://jonbanquer.baywords.com/

 

My v20 version of SE was shipped last friday, I will pick it up this
weekend, by blowing off one of my autocad programs (leaving IV in
place so i can access its killer libraries)... and give it a test
ride. The seimens vendor rep said my laptop would be way slow with
SE synch and recommended a dell 2,000 dollar laptop... in checking it
out, it was not impressively fast, dual core is all, a nyvidia
graphics card...and came with only 1 gig of ram.

My compac is single core, 2 mhz and 2 gig of ram.. cheezy ATI
graphics card (AMD cpu)it runs inventor just fine.. id bet it runs SE
well too.. maybe i will have to upgrade when synch comes out. i can
access the SE in house group maybe... if I have time this weekend i
will get it loaded etc and ask them whats up and post it here... still
if that mouse mik dell will run synch.. my current laptop should.

Phil scott