hi, i am having strange results, when using tblojname and entmod-ing dxf 62 and 70 to mauupulate layer visibility, it is rendering some objects, at random, (i think) invisible, i am forced to use something like... (setq alo (vla-get-activelayout (vla-get-ActiveDocument (vlax-get-acad-object)))) (vlax-for itm (vla-get-block alo) (vla-update itm)) to refresh the objects, but it is too slow, this only started to be problem after A2k2, anybody else experiencing similar problems?? actually i checked, even using the standard layer command extensively, to freeze/thaw layers, is giving similar starge results. mark