I hate Wildfire club

Call me cynical but one month after my switch to Wildfire I'm still
trying to figure out why I bothered and whether the whole point was to
keep the re-training companies in business.

Maybe six months down the road I'll be a real Wildfire advocate but
right now I've never seen such a poorly thought out software update.
At least with the old menu system there was a logical sequence to most
things and it guided you through the selection process, now I'm
forever trying to remember whether I have to pre-select or post-select
and whether it's the control key or the shift key.

Why have they moved everything and where is there logic behind their
new location. Take this example; to mirror a surface you click on the
surface and the mirror tool highlights but to mirror a feature you
have to use 'edit-feature operations-copy-mirror' tool like the old
2001 menu's. To mirror the whole geometry you have to remember to
click on the part name in the model tree before the mirror tool
highlights - even the menu-mapper and the help files don't tell you to
highlight the part name so it took me 20 mins to suss out.

Perhaps the only thing I really like is the ablity to change a feature
from solid to surface or a protrusion to a cut but maybe I'll discover
more positives as time goes by...

 

I'm in the " i've had enough fun every time they've done major changes so
i'm not going to update until wildfire2 at least"

i still reember when thay introduced proe 17 to our company. we were in the
middle of two major projects, after a week of crashing and parts continually
failing, we took it off, and went back to 16. , losing a weeksworth of time
and effort. i think we only put on 19.
I also learnt to have new projects only on the new versions.

cheers
Craig

 

What I've heard about wildfire is that they are not done yet with all
the repositionning of all commands, that's why some are still at their
old position and that when you open ProE, you don't have a full
screen. I think they are triing to follow Catia (wildfire is in the
same mood of Catia V5). Catia made a major change when they released
V5 replacing V4 and it was the same thing for me as you just said with
ProE (*?&&$/1$!? with the position of the commands) but I am sure you
will prefer wildfire in a couple of weeks like I did with Catia V5.
Hold on!

 

Hang tight; Wildfire 2.0 Pre-Production is going to be released and
available for download on 17 November. It should complete the
disintegration of the Menu Manager, and hopefully bring more coherence
to the UI.

 

Yeah, but will this paradigm continue through all of the other modules of
Pro/E? I haven't touched sheetmetal in a couple years, but last I checked
that was still using the v18 assembly interface for defining a die!

Dave

 

: Yeah, but will this paradigm continue through all of the other modules of
: Pro/E? I haven't touched sheetmetal in a couple years, but last I checked
: that was still using the v18 assembly interface for defining a die!
:
It has been changed, Dave ~ somewhat. The Wildfire rev is just about caught up with 2001 on the Form(punch/die) assembly interface: the junky, sloppy assembly constraints window is gone, but there's still two windows, component window constantly popping behind other window and all the Alt-Tab bs to find hiding windows. BUUUUUUT, that's the entire extent of the changes. All sheet metal functions are still completely Menu Manager-based, not even a hint of the socalled 'object/action' dashboard. Geesaman was right to point out just the tip of the iceberg of how far PTC has to go to make the new interface comprehensive and consistent.
:
: : > Hang tight; Wildfire 2.0 Pre-Production is going to be released and
: > available for download on 17 November. It should complete the
: > disintegration of the Menu Manager, and hopefully bring more coherence
: > to the UI.
:
PTC started advertising object/action interface (sketch something, do something with it or pick something, make something at that spot) with the release of 2000i. It talked about it with every release after that, but I could never see what was object/action about anything they came up with. Now that Wildfire is out, there's actually some substance to it. There's an interface to match the claim of object/action. But, tell me, how 'object/action' is it to do 'Insert>Extrusion', then pick, on a 'Dashboard', whether it will be solid or surface, or thin solid, add or subtract material, go in or out, (all the stuff from that Menu Manager feature definition box), *then* do a sketch. Looks like action/object to me, but with getting rid of Menu Manager, and realizing one of the lessons of object oriented programming ~ you don't need separate windows popping up all over the place, you just need well-organized, well-defined screen areas for everything to take place in (arrow activated input section, tabbed pages, a model tree that switches to layers, etc).

The questions users have (consistency, when will it be over) are not answered by claims for WF2. First, I can not confirm the rumor on PTC's website. You'd think, if there were anything to this 11/7 date, there'd be a news release. NADA

But two things seem to bother everybody still. Will it be consistent and when will it be over!?! What has gone before is not reassuring on either count. People have already pointed out their concerns on consistency (within 'Dashboard', operations aren't consistent, some operations are still not 'Dashboard' and whole modules have been ignored. But, there is also the question of when this will be completed. I love optimistic predictions, and, certainly, Wildfire 2, as a culmination of ongoing changes, is an optimistic prediction. Considering how far Pro/e has to go to finish a consistent, comprehensive interface change and considering how long it has milked it so far and considering it's shakey financial position, can it afford to stop milking it? But, considering the desertion rate, can it afford to prolong it?

David Janes

 

____________________________________________
First, I can not confirm the rumor on PTC's

______________________________________________

Because I am going to PTC in Needham to test drive it for a week,
coinciding with when the Preproduction version goes online........and
I'm going on November 17.

Pete

 

: > <snip>
:
:
: ____________________________________________
: First, I can not confirm the rumor on PTC's
: > website. You'd think, if there were anything to this 11/7 date, there'd
: > be a news release. NADA
: ______________________________________________
:
: Because I am going to PTC in Needham to test drive it for a week,
: coinciding with when the Preproduction version goes online........and
: I'm going on November 17.
:
: Pete

Ah, excellent, a first hand observation and hopefully a report on the future of
Pro/e. Sounds exciting! Have you participated in any of the PTC/USER technical
committees?

Good luck,
David Janes

 

Maybe they could make the icon for sketching a hole the
same as the icon for sketching everything else look
the same in the new release also
I mean why have are they different in the first place?

/Bjorn
"David Janes" <> skrev i meddelandet : Yeah, but will this paradigm continue through all of the other modules of
: Pro/E? I haven't touched sheetmetal in a couple years, but last I checked
: that was still using the v18 assembly interface for defining a die!
:
It has been changed, Dave ~ somewhat. The Wildfire rev is just about caught up with 2001 on the Form(punch/die) assembly interface: the junky, sloppy assembly constraints window is gone, but there's still two windows, component window constantly popping behind other window and all the Alt-Tab bs to find hiding windows. BUUUUUUT, that's the entire extent of the changes. All sheet metal functions are still completely Menu Manager-based, not even a hint of the socalled 'object/action' dashboard. Geesaman was right to point out just the tip of the iceberg of how far PTC has to go to make the new interface comprehensive and consistent.
:
: : > Hang tight; Wildfire 2.0 Pre-Production is going to be released and
: > available for download on 17 November. It should complete the
: > disintegration of the Menu Manager, and hopefully bring more coherence
: > to the UI.
:
PTC started advertising object/action interface (sketch something, do something with it or pick something, make something at that spot) with the release of 2000i. It talked about it with every release after that, but I could never see what was object/action about anything they came up with. Now that Wildfire is out, there's actually some substance to it. There's an interface to match the claim of object/action. But, tell me, how 'object/action' is it to do 'Insert>Extrusion', then pick, on a 'Dashboard', whether it will be solid or surface, or thin solid, add or subtract material, go in or out, (all the stuff from that Menu Manager feature definition box), *then* do a sketch. Looks like action/object to me, but with getting rid of Menu Manager, and realizing one of the lessons of object oriented programming ~ you don't need separate windows popping up all over the place, you just need well-organized, well-defined screen areas for everything to take place in (arrow activated input section, tabbed pages, a model tree that switches to layers, etc).

The questions users have (consistency, when will it be over) are not answered by claims for WF2. First, I can not confirm the rumor on PTC's website. You'd think, if there were anything to this 11/7 date, there'd be a news release. NADA

But two things seem to bother everybody still. Will it be consistent and when will it be over!?! What has gone before is not reassuring on either count. People have already pointed out their concerns on consistency (within 'Dashboard', operations aren't consistent, some operations are still not 'Dashboard' and whole modules have been ignored. But, there is also the question of when this will be completed. I love optimistic predictions, and, certainly, Wildfire 2, as a culmination of ongoing changes, is an optimistic prediction. Considering how far Pro/e has to go to finish a consistent, comprehensive interface change and considering how long it has milked it so far and considering it's shakey financial position, can it afford to stop milking it? But, considering the desertion rate, can it afford to prolong it?

David Janes

 

I agree. Been on Pro since rev 7. I feel like I'm starting over. How much
money in lost time do you think this mess of a revision going to cost. And
anyone that thinks some BS Wildfire tutorial or Coach is going to make up
for it, is just fooling themselves.

 

<snip>
I don't get the mouse thing either. It's ass backward from the old way to
drive. Ctrl key and the three mouse buttons worked just fine.

 

Wildfire 2.0 Pre-production is now available for download on PTC's
website. It seems they've beaten their Nov 17th release date.

Bonus: It's down to just two CDs for Windows.


Pete