I just to search arc center, first by dxf the result = nil,second by vlax this result got problem too _$ (setq ent (entget (car en))) ((-1 . <Entity name: 14c2588>) (0 . "ARC") (330 . <Entity name: 14c24f8>) (5 .. "49") (100 . "AcDbEntity") (67 . 0) (410 . "Model") (8 . "0") (100 . "AcDbCircle") (10 10.9142 -0.490689 0.0) (40 . 12.6097) (210 0.0 0.0 1.0) (100 . "AcDbArc") (50 . 0.658431) (51 . 2.2417)) _$ (setq info20 (assoc 20 ent)) nil $ (vl-load-com) (setq ent (vlax-ename->vla-object (car (entsel " SELECT AN ARC: ")))) #<VLA-OBJECT IAcadArc 01aade74> _$ (setq ent1 (rtos (vlax-get-property ent "Center"))) ; error: bad argument type: numberp: #<variant 8197 ...> _$ Anybody know how to find arc center?,thanks.