how much for an older Autocad license 14, 12...?

Hi, I'm an french architect and i 'm looking to buy an older version of
Autocad in order to work on it in France. Do you know where to buy?
Thanks to everyone,
Alex

 

I'm afraid you are poking an ant hill, so no way.
Get a pirated version instead.

 

Better alternative would be to do it legal and use one of the many good cad
programs on the market.

 

Yes, but it leaves the requested older versions of AutoCad out of the
question. And that was the question about.

 

For many people, theft is not an option. Apparently, you aren't one of them.
The question was where to acquire legal software. My answer was much more
useful than telling him to steal it.

 

I have two legally licenced seats. I just ment that ie. R12 is
'abandonware'. It does not exist to Autodesk any more
(support, upgrading etc.). So there is no 'legal' way to
get a licence. What alternatives that leaves you if you
buy a second hand copy than become a 'criminal'?

 

A second hand copy is legal. A pirate copy is not.

 

What else should "a second hand copy" be than a pirate copy?

Autodesk *never* sells their software to any end user but only a
licence to use it. This licence might be valid for an unlimited
period of time and it might even be good for commercial use but
it is always *non-transferrable*, i.e. if Autodesk doesn't agree
to a transfer of said licence to an end user who wasn't part of the
initial licence purchase agreement, then there is absolutely no
legal way to buy a legal second hand copy. The reason is simple:
No end user who has purchased a licence legally is entitled to
re-sell his licence or transfer it to any other person. And
Autodesk simply refuses to agree to any end user-to-end user licence
transfers. So you can't obtain a licence from another end user legally
because the end user who "sells" or "transfers" his licence to you simply
is not legally entitled to do so.

The question would rather be if the EULA is applicable in all countries in
which Autodesk markets their products. I'm not an expert in French copyright
law but can say that under the German copyright law the EULA, which is
presented upon software installation, is not applicable as you don't have a
chance to read and sign it upon conclusion of the licence purchase
agreement. Moreover, to become legally binding, the EULA would have to be in
the German language, so it's bad luck for Autodesk if they sell you a
licence for a software which is available only in English, e.g. Autodesk Viz
4.


Kind regards,
Olaf

Use "reply to" address for e-mail, please.

 

Autodesk sells software. They even say so on thee website. I realize that
there are a lot of people on herre that thinks Autodesk makes the laws but
they don't. A contract that is forced on yo after the sale is invalid. Once
you buy it, it is yours to use, give away, sell or throwaway. The only thing
that the seller retains a right to is copyright. If you don't agree with me,
that just makes you wrong. I haven't the time to debate this (there is
really nothing to debate) as things are getting really busy here lately. I
suggest you pull your head out. Bye.

 

oh look, a can of worms! ..... *trying* really hard not to step in
it......... ;-)

 

throwaway.

Wrong again.

 

Oh no....here we go again!

 

Yes, you are but we'll let it slide.

 

In that respect, if you do not mind me saying, you are wrong. Legally
purchasing a software licence does not give you the right to do with that
software whatever you deem fit. Your rights as a licencee are user rights,
not proprietor rights. I am quite certain that you are aware of the
difference. The EULA might be non-applicable as it is forced upon users _ex
post_. This does not mean, however, that all other national and
international copyright laws and agreements are non-applicable either only
because you do not explicitly sign them upon conclusion of licence purchase.

You are wrong again. Autodesk - among most other software makers - also
retain the right to assemble, disassemble, reverse compile the software
code. The only items of which one becomes a rightful owner are the media on
which the software is stored, usually the CD-ROM, and the documentation.
That is what Autodesk sells to users in terms of proprietorship. Apart from
that you only get a licence to use their software.

It seems more likely to me that you have run out of valid arguments to back
up your statements.

I have never been very impressed with people who utter insults rather than
delivering valid arguments in a matter-of-fact style.


Kind regards,
Olaf

Use "reply to" address for e-mail, please.

 

Hey, thank you guys for the answers ! ! !
But don't fight for me please .
I called today Autodesk in Paris France and this is what they told me :

Autodesk don't salle older versions of AutoCAD !

If you want to buy an license from some else ( particular , friend, etc.)
you must have the permission of Autodesk.

I asked if it's easy to haven't, and the answer is That only 10% of the
demands are approved ! ! !..

So , I'm in big s. ! I just need an cheap license in order to modelise in
3D.
I don't no what to do ? The Architectural Desktop of Autodesk is 6400 ? ! !
!

 

Have you looked at Intellicad as a possible choice for you? Try

alt.cad.intellicad

 

Hi group, hi Alex,

I had the same idea. I observed some ebay auctions and found some
quite acceptable items. So my hint is: try ebay, look for a R14
version.

Do you have ebay in France? Otherwise, German sellers often send
europeanwide.

So far,
Roland R.

 

The problem is not to get a CD-ROM with the software. The problem is to
obtain a valid licence for commercial use. Using pirate copies - and without
acknowledgement from Autodesk a transfer of licences from end user to end
user is void, thus the end user who purchased a licence from another end
user is considered a software pirat - could come much dearer than purchasing
an official licence for Autocad 2002 or 2004. You might - after risking long
and costly legal proceedings with a most unpredictable court decision - be
allowed to obtain a licence from another end user. But by the time you
finally pushed it home, even Autocad 2004 will have been obsolete for a
couple of years.


Kind regards,
Olaf

Use "reply to" address for e-mail, please.

 

If you need the software for 3D work I suggest you buy AutoCAD LT plus 3D
tools from drcauto.

Alternatively you could try to obtain a dongled copy of AutoCAD from someone
who never got around to upgrading it. You would be in a grey area as to
legality as the licence could not be legally transferred to you. But if you
have the software and the hardware lock it is not "pirate", and as you can't
upgrade it nor get support Autodesk would be unlikely to take any notice of
you. If you take this route the price you pay should be in the ten of
Euros.. As the old software has no real resale value.

 

See if IntelliCAD might give what you require. try: www.bricscad.com
It is an AutoCAD clone, originally based an AutoCAD R14.

G