Hiring aptitude test

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Dave Nay, Feb 7, 2006.

  1. Dave Nay

    Dave Nay Guest

    My company is looking to hire a new Solidworks designer to give me a
    hand (ya! business is good!). We are starting the process of screening
    resumes from a staffing company, and I have been asked to come up with a
    simple aptitude test that we can give to the candidates. What we do
    here is not rocket science at all, simple framework made from Bosch type
    aluminum extrusion, and simple machined brackets. What ideas have any
    of you guys used to weed out the type who claim to have knowledge, but
    are just padding their resume?

    Thanks!
    Dave
     
    Dave Nay, Feb 7, 2006
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  2. Dave Nay

    ken.maren Guest

    Take your most simple assy and make them build it. Parts and all. You
    can lend them a hand with giving them the extrusion profiles ahead of
    time, but make them build something. Build it yourself to get an idea
    of how much time it should take. Watch them take the test too. If
    they butcher around the UI or have to use the help file at all, test
    over and send them home. Just watching someone work around SolidWorks
    will give you a good feel for how well they use the software.

    KMaren
     
    ken.maren, Feb 7, 2006
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  3. Dave Nay

    Fye Guest

    I've had interviews where the company actually sat me down at a
    computer and had me model a simple item. For the most part, you either
    know it or you don't, and a small demo will make it very apparent (and
    possibly embarrassing if they don't know it). Since you're doing
    framework/bracketry, at the very least make sure he/she knows about
    assemblies in SW. Most probably won't know sheetmetal (if that's
    important to you), so I wouldn't make it a requirement - it's easy
    enough to learn in SW as long as the other basic skills are there.

    As far as general skills are concerned, here's a few ideas:

    * have the applicant draw an 3-view drawing of a simple physical part
    (no dimensions)
    * have the applicant draw an isometric (or close approximation) of a
    part if he is given the 3-view drawing
    * use a variation on the above two ideas (Does this blind hole go on
    the back or the front side of the part?)
     
    Fye, Feb 7, 2006
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  4. If they have passed the CSWP test, that at least signifies a level of
    competency.

    WT
     
    Wayne Tiffany, Feb 7, 2006
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  5. Dave Nay

    That70sTick Guest

    I don't think you need anything terribly complex. Just have them build
    a simple part from 2D paper drawing, then install the part into an
    assembly. You ought to be able to tell how well they know their way
    around SW just from how well they handle a couple simple things.

    A candidate with a good base level of competency and the right
    experience should be able to adapt to your specific requirements.
     
    That70sTick, Feb 7, 2006
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  6. Dave Nay

    TOP Guest

    1. Go to library
    2. Get drafting text
    3. In the chapter on working drawings look for an exercise with all
    parts dimensioned in isometric drawings.
    4. Copy those pages.
    5. Have him model the parts, make the assembly and then a set of
    working drawings.
    6. Ask him to fill in the custom properties using all CAPS and three
    letter initials for his name.
    7. Grade him on his construction technique, whether all sketches are
    fully defined, full mating except on fasteners, and most important
    whether he filled in the custom properties correctly.

    This is what I give my students for a final. You'd be surprised how
    many can't follow simple directions from step 6.
     
    TOP, Feb 7, 2006
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  7. Dave Nay

    Muggs Guest

    I've actually used this:

    Your father sends you down to the lake to get exactly 4 gallons of water.
    He gives you a 3 gal. bucket and a 5 Gal. bucket, both are non graduated.
    How are you going to get exactly 4 gallons of water?

    There are two ways to do this, but you would be surprised the amount of
    people that can't get it.
    This would show at least weed out the "I don't know! This is stupid" people,
    and maybe show some competency at resolving problems by thinking them trough
    completely.

    Muggs
     
    Muggs, Feb 7, 2006
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  8. I don't know that solving a simple logic puzzle is going to tell
    you much about how good a person will be at designing.

    bill
     
    bill allemann, Feb 7, 2006
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  9. Don't read this if you don't want to know yet.








    My answer is to fill each more than half way, then tip each and dump water
    out until you make a diagonal plane, thereby giving you a half full bucket
    of each size. 1.5 +2.5=4.0. Thank you very much...... :)

    WT
     
    Wayne Tiffany, Feb 7, 2006
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  10. Dave Nay

    IYM Guest

    Answer #4:

    Applicant goes home and rents "Die Hard with a Vengeance", and returns with
    answers. Gets credit for showing research capabilities? ;)

    Scott
     
    IYM, Feb 7, 2006
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  11. Dave Nay

    matt Guest


    That wouldn't work unless the buckets were both cylindrical and exactly
    the same height because half-way is at a different level for each
    bucket. You could use a siphon to get them level, but you've only got
    two buckets, no hose.

    I think I'd go to the shed, get the 4 gallon bucket and a boat oar.
    (Boat oar is to whack old Pop for sending me out with the wrong tools.)
     
    matt, Feb 7, 2006
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  12. Wait a minute - I didn't say anything about the two levels being the same,
    or even related. Assuming a bucket is not twisted, run over, etc, when you
    tip it, and dump out the liquid until the liquid level touches the outer rim
    and just starts to touch what would then be the upper edge of the lower rim,
    then you have half of its capacity, regardless of whether the sides are
    tapered or straight.

    WT
     
    Wayne Tiffany, Feb 7, 2006
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  13. Dave Nay

    Muggs Guest

    I'm having a hard time refraining from giving the answer(s).

    Muggs
     
    Muggs, Feb 7, 2006
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  14. Dave Nay

    Muggs Guest

    ***Read ONLY IF YOU WANT THE ANSWER(S)***





























    Fill the 3 gallon bucket.

    Put into the 5 gallon bucket.

    Fill the 3 gallon bucket again.

    Fill the 5 gallon bucket, leaving 1 gallon in the 3 gallon bucket.

    Empty the 5 gallon bucket.

    Put the 1 gallon in the 5 gallon bucket.

    Fill the 3 gallon bucket.

    3 + 1 = 4



    Fill the 5 gallon bucket.

    Fill the 3 gallon bucket, leaving 2 gallons in the 5 gallon bucket.

    Empty the 3 gallon bucket.

    Put the 2 gallons in the 3 gallon bucket.

    Fill the 5 gallon bucket.

    Fill the 3 gallon leaving 4 gallons in the 5 gallon bucket.
     
    Muggs, Feb 7, 2006
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  15. Dave Nay

    Muggs Guest

    Yes, except that you can't just repeat. No where to store the first two
    gallons.

    Muggs
     
    Muggs, Feb 7, 2006
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  16. Dave Nay

    Muggs Guest

    Sorry my mistake! Using your method the two gallons ARE stored.

    Very nice! And different than mine.

    Muggs
     
    Muggs, Feb 7, 2006
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  17. Dave Nay

    Pats Fan Guest

    1. fill the 5 gl bkt to top.
    2. pour from 5 gl into 3 gl. bucket
    3. this leaves 2 gl in the 5 and 3 gl in the 3.
    4. mark the level of 2 gls in that is in the 5 gl bkt.
    5. dumpout the 3 gl bucket so it is empty
    6. transfer the 2 gls remaining in the 5 gl bkt into the 3 gl bkt.
    7. fill the 5 gl bkt to the level marked in step 4.
    8. pour the 2 gls from the 3 gl bkt back into the 5 gl bkt.
    9. there is now 4 gls of water in the 5 gl bkt.
     
    Pats Fan, Feb 7, 2006
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  18. Dave Nay

    Cliff Guest

    You need to weed out the brighter ones.
    Go for really dumb typos on the "resume". And buzzwords.
     
    Cliff, Feb 7, 2006
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  19. Dave Nay

    Muggs Guest

    Sorry! Can't use markers, but very close.

    Muggs
     
    Muggs, Feb 7, 2006
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  20. Dave Nay

    Cliff Guest

    You may have a problem.
     
    Cliff, Feb 7, 2006
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