Dear Lispers. I want ask you alls,how the best place of "dtr",before defun (format 1) or in defun (format 2),if it see in program procedure,thanks for your reply Best regards Ade Suharna format 1 (defun dtr (a) (* pi (/ a 180.0))) (defun c:xx (/) bla...bla... ) format 2 (defun c:xx (/) (defun dtr (a) (* pi (/ a 180.0))) bla...bla... )