dual LCD and MS???

Discussion in 'Microstation' started by Bear, Nov 3, 2003.

  1. Bear

    Bear Guest

    Has anyone tried or is anyone using dual LCD screens with MS.

    Just after some feedback on hassles, cards etc.

    Thanks,

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    Bear, Nov 3, 2003
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  2. Hi,

    Both dual, triple and quad. No problems whatsoever.
    As long as you have enough AGP + PCI cards all supporting DVI output, there should
    not be any problems either ...

    One thing though -- mixing analog with DVI may end up plain ugly -- the apparent
    difference in quality can be just too striking in some cases.

    Cheers,
    /Chris Z.
    Has anyone tried or is anyone using dual LCD screens with MS.

    Just after some feedback on hassles, cards etc.

    Thanks,

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    Chris Zakrewsky, Nov 3, 2003
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  3. Bear

    Andrew Lowe Guest

    I found the LCD's to be quite disappointing. One place where I was recently
    writing accounting software, don't ask, had some in a store room for a
    client. I asked if I could try one out. Attached it and away I went in
    1280x1024 @ 75Hz. Didn't like it at all. I could see the boundary, a little
    black box, around each "pixel". The "jaggies" for a near horizontal line
    was shocking. Even the movement of the mouse caused slight "trail" across
    the screen. I was looking at buying a panel until this experience, instead
    I went to a mob in Melbourne where I bought a 19" Hyundai, ImageQuest Q910,
    for $360. I run it at 1600x1200 @ 85Hz. It's rock solid. For what the panel
    was going to cost me, I could have bought two of the 19" monitors. Probably
    in 2 - 3 years the panels will have caught up, but until then I wouldn't
    touch them with a barge pole for serious CAD work - which I think is the
    opposite of what Chris said.......

    Regards,
    Andrew

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    Andrew Lowe, Nov 4, 2003
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  4. Hi Andrew,

    I don't think it is fair to make decisions based on one, admitedly cheap or
    a very old example of emerging technology:
    This says that you've ran it in ANALOG mode. It is often ugly. I told that before...
    You need to try DIGITAL (i.e. DVI) interface instead.
    An old or a very cheap (or both) specimen. I would need a serious magnifying glass
    or to put my nose against the screen surface in order to see those pixel boundaries on
    any of my flat panels. Honestly. It is a thing of the past...
    Enable antialiasing in your graphic card. All modern cards designed for CAD (or games)
    have this capability. No more sharp, pronounced jaggies.
    3 years old thing. It was a real problem on early models. You will not see this on any flat panel
    being sold today.
    That's what I do. Albeit on a flat panel ;-)
    They really did. Counted from what you tried, it is fair to assume that 3 years went silently
    from the time your flat panel was manufactured until today. Cheap time travels anyone?

    Cheers,
    /Chris Z.


     
    Chris Zakrewsky, Nov 4, 2003
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  5. Bear

    Bear Guest

    Thanks Chris, just what I wanted to hear.

    What brand have you been using??

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    Hi Andrew,

    I don't think it is fair to make decisions based on one, admitedly cheap or
    a very old example of emerging technology:
    This says that you've ran it in ANALOG mode. It is often ugly. I told that
    before...
    You need to try DIGITAL (i.e. DVI) interface instead.
    An old or a very cheap (or both) specimen. I would need a serious magnifying
    glass
    or to put my nose against the screen surface in order to see those pixel
    boundaries on
    any of my flat panels. Honestly. It is a thing of the past...
    Enable antialiasing in your graphic card. All modern cards designed for CAD
    (or games)
    have this capability. No more sharp, pronounced jaggies.
    3 years old thing. It was a real problem on early models. You will not see
    this on any flat panel
    being sold today.
    That's what I do. Albeit on a flat panel ;-)
    They really did. Counted from what you tried, it is fair to assume that 3
    years went silently
    from the time your flat panel was manufactured until today. Cheap time
    travels anyone?

    Cheers,
    /Chris Z.


     
    Bear, Nov 4, 2003
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  6. What brand have you been using??

    Digital:
    Dell 2000FP Ultrasharp, (1600x1200)
    SGI 1600SW (1600x1024)

    Analog:
    NEC MultiSync LCD 1830 (1280x1024)


    And one more thought w/r to:
    MicroStation seems to have a quirk here -- antialiasing shows up in accelerated
    views only, and during dynamics only (like rotation). When graphics stand still,
    there is no antialiasing. Some aggresive antialiasing settings (like Quincunx on nVidia
    hardware) makes those tiny view icons and view scroll bars disappear. Seems to be a
    bug in uStn, in all released versions tested to date.

    However even without antialiasing the picture is crisp, (as opposed to blurry) and
    most of flat panels have pixel size small enough to disregard the 'jagginess'.

    Heck, the real high-end panels look more like output from the early laser printers...

    Best!
    /Chris Z.

     
    Chris Zakrewsky, Nov 4, 2003
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  7. Bear and all,

    I just received (today) a 20" Viewsonic VP201b to complement my 15" IBM
    Thinkpad A31p laptop. So far - so good - running both at 1600x1200 in a dual
    screen config. Older Thinkpads don't offer the video cards for this setup.

    The Viewsonic is substantially brighter than the brighter than average
    laptop so turning down the brightness on the big panel evens things out on
    your eyes.

    Elevating the laptop so its screen is about in the middle of the big LCD
    works pretty good for making a workstation out of a laptop...

    Hey Sir Dickens...have you seen all the recent research on the positive
    productivity gains in using multiple monitors? (In addition to having a
    100-button mouse?) You are probably ignoring this post anyway... :)
    ....being stuck on that single 23" unit. :) :) :)

    Just sharing some rambling,

    Bill Kemper
     
    Wm. C. Kemper, Nov 4, 2003
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  8. Bear

    Bill Dickens Guest

    I don't believe it for cad except if you are using one for a rendered
    perspective view.

    In that case, I'd get that big Mac 23" baby.

    For Active Trader Pro you can only open 12 windows at a time and that
    means that you'd have to run another unit... leave one focused on 12
    stocks with a 2 day setup. 12 should be enough. Do your rummaging on
    the other baby...

    Maybe a Voodoo Envy... green.

    :)
     
    Bill Dickens, Nov 5, 2003
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  9. Have been using dual Samsung Syncmaster 191T (19") at 1280x1024 with
    3Dlabs Wildcat 880 Pro under Win XP Pro with v8.1. No problems. Man is
    there more room to work! Crystal clear & easy on eyes. Only problem is
    I found I have to turn monitors on *after* I turn system on. Reverse
    the sequence and I'll get box on each monitor that says there's no
    connection. Dunno why, don't care, since it works the other way.

    Enjoy!

    R Anderson
     
    Richard Anderson, Nov 5, 2003
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