Dear Alls,I've got problem if load program from forum,like this (setq opbase (polar b1 (+ a (dtr 0)) dist1)pt b1) (setq opbase (polar b2 (+ a (dtr 0)) dist2)pt b2)) it contains "dtr or rtd",visual console editor said; ; error: no function definition: DTR/RTD and in my "AutoLisp reference" help,there isn't dtr or rtd (acad 2000) How to solve this ,thanks for your help Best regards Ade Suharna