I would like to talk with someone who does weldments of square structural tubing in their normal work. This represents 80% of my work (I design the structural aspects of theatrical sets), and the final 20% will be mechanically actuated theatrical stuff. When I saw the message titled "Goodby origin" I realized that I need to check into SolidWorks a little more before I really make the jump. See, I am just the kind of person to uncover bugs that others are perhaps not noticing because they do thing like most of the other users. I am hoping that talking with a person who does similar kind of construction will uncover issues that I won't be aware of as a novice with SW. If you would be willing to talk with me, just E-mail me you phone number to call via the address above (which will be abandoned in a month or so), or via my real e-mail... lets see how can I put this on the message, but hide from the spammers... joed AT(I think they spammers have figgured out how to convert "at" to @, but perhaps not this entire sentence) bibleonstage(DOT)com Joe Dunfee