Designer/machinist needed Greensboro, North Carolina

What does, beyond government handouts? And those cost donations
to the Republcan Party (in the US).

 

But the "Patriot Act" is the best thing your beloved neocons
ever did, right?
What "church" must folks belong to?

 

You have a problem again, Gummer.
It's my understanding that such tests indicate *use*, perhaps
even days or weeks ago, not "impaired".
A test for "impaired" would be rather simple but probably
weed out lots of fundies & wingers due to their impaired
judgement.

Any test for "use" would seem to be an effort to force
"moral" judgements on others and rarely a test for
"impaired".
Many are also handicapped. Would they also be weeded out
as "impaired"?

 

Gunner Lied:

Bullshit, Gunner. Such tests _already_ exist. Typically somewhat like a
video game, doing reaction-time testing, and perhaps other things
depending on the nature of the job. Not able to do the task in the test,
not allowed to operate the train, press, plane, whatever. Perhaps even
get the breathalyzer, piss, blood, and/or other test - for cause -
unless you want to be fired.

Of course, actual safety (even from people impaired on legal drugs) does
not fit with the actual agenda of the people who prefer expensive piss
testing to get rid of all those employees who eat poppyseed bagels, who
show up as heroin addicts on the cheesy tests.

 

Bullshit, there is to a test to see if one is impared or not. I forget
what the cops call it, but they do it everytime the think some one is
fucked up behind the wheel. Oh yeah....It's call the sobrity test, you
know walk the line put your finger on your nose that sort of
thing....It is not just for testing drunks. Many pill poppers
potheads, and even folks who took "cold medicine" have been handed
DUI's for failing the test.

You can tell if some one is "geeking" on coke or crank just by
watching them for ten mins. or so. (I'm sure you know what I mean.)

<cliff snipped>

n.

 

I'm in So Cal. and it's pretty much the norm out here.

Malcontent

 

I work for a medical device company.
If you were in need of one of our device sets would you want a fucked up tweaker doing the design/manufacture or
assembly of that device?

Malcontent

 

It is amazing to me that I have had very resumes for this job. I guess the
people that are qualified are very satisfied. Perhaps another way to say it
is....


If you earn less than $20 per hour and believe that you are qualified then
you should send a resume right now!
If you earn less than $30 per hour and you are qualified then I suggest that
you send your resume and current pay history for review.
If you earn more than $30 per hour and you believe that you are over
qualified...then send your resume...etc.

If you would fail a drug test then do not apply.....<sorry...could not help
myself..grin>

Ok...back to the other posters about drugs..etc.. <smile>

Thanks,

Marshall

 

Yes such tests do exist. They are expensive, time consuming and a
number of them involve equipment that requires a lab tech to operate.

And they are often wrong.
Im an ex cop. I can "usually" tell if someone is on drugs and can
often times tell you which one. Now to prove that to the courts or to
the labor board will require at the minimum, a blood or piss test and
a certified analysis from a certified lab.

Please point out which common field test, other than the breathyliser
will point out not only how much drugs by percentage are in your
system, but which drug, and wether or not you are impaired or not.

Even the breath test will not point out if you are impaired, only how
much blood alcohol you have in your system. Those numbers are based on
Averages, to determine amount of impairment.

I know a tile setter that will generally blow a .16 (twice the legal
limit) and still does beautiful work, and you cannot tell he is drunk.
At the same time I know a young girl who can blow a .05 and be falling
down.

And those who eat poppy seed bagles simply ask that a further test be
done, and the results will clear them of opiate useage.

Dont know much about the subject, do you....?

Gunner



"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001

 

Yes indeed. However if you have an inner ear infection, you will often
fail the field sobriety test. God knows I conducted enough of them.

If you have any number of neurological diseases, you will also fail,
and will in many cases appear to be groked.

Only blood or piss testing can be used to make the case of consumption
and imparement, and only then based on human averages.

Gunner



"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001

 

The case for consumption has been made. You have yet to convince anyone of
imparement.

Do you see what I'm getting at, or are we on different pages?

Regards,

Robin

 

I think you're being facetious but seriously, what constitutes a fail?

I'm asking because drug laws in Canada are *different* than those in the US,
AFAIK.

Regards,

Robin

 

Agreed however the piss test should only be used after one fails the
sobrity test, my opinion of course.

But I must admitt that I drug test my employees, but my workmans
policy states that I have to.

I use the piss test as part of the job appication, as required under
my insurance policy. After that there are no further drug tests unless
there is an on the job injury. The injured employee is drug tested as
required under my insurance policy.

This requirment is clearly spelled out on my job apps.

If I do not drug test (and I only do the minimume testing required) my
workmans comp insurance rates are anywhere from 30 to 300 % higher.

WV and VA law lets workman comp off the hook in the injured employee
was under the influence during the injury and/or if the intoxication
caused the injury. And I agree with this policy. Party all you
want--on your own time just come to work sober.

Druggies, and drunks in my business usually do something (sober) in
short order to get themselves fired, such as showing up late or not
showing up at all, ripping off the company, Or they do sloppy
hafe-ass work which gets them fired.

The two truck drivers on my payroll (Actual emplyees not subs),
(tractor trailer drivers for transporting the dozer and backhoe) are
drug tested by DOT not me.

Sub-contrators that I hire are exempt because I do not have to cover
them on MY workmans comp policy.

n.

 

Under my insurance poilcy, all positives must be sent to a lab for
confirmation.

 

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner

Anyone who has "detox" experience can tell stories of the guy who come
in, nice suit, clear speech, and has a BAC "enough to stun an Elephant."

I have heard that "evidence" is piling up that, yes, some people can
handle their booze better than others, and it isn't just a matter of body
weight. All I know is that I am not one of them. (Make me a cheap date.)
I learned the hard way, trying to keep up with two guys who's livers were
in shape from regular workouts.


tschus
pyotr

 

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner

Field test are good for "field test" to check impartment. They are
also based on "rules of thumb" and the center of the bell curve. Outlier,
like those with various medical conditions, don't match up with the
expectations. Had a friend in college, an artist. Really quite good,
(save he was colorblind, tended to draw grass using an orange pencil), but
he had a constant tremor in his hands. How he could draw a straight line
I've no idea, but the rest of the time he trembled like he'd had a couple
pots of coffee too much.

 

I missed the staff meeting but the minutes show Gunner

Theres a local plumbing company which advertises on the radio "we'll
seen a trained experience, drug free employee" to your location If you
want to work for such a company, give us a call, otherwise, go work for
someone else.

On the one hand, I don't like mandatory drug testing, as I don't do
drugs. OTOH, it does mean I'm working with other people similarly
inclined.

tschus
pyotr

 

You are generally impaired for weeks if not months, and sometimes years
after smoking pot heavily for any extended length of time.

The impairment is purely psycological, but it feels real just the
same..........

The first thing a heavy pot smoker wants when he has run out is to have more
pot, and the object of getting another stash will usually take pretty close
to top priority and consume most of his time and depending on his station in
life, financial resources.

And he is busy in the back of his mind, often conniving those around him as
it is a very central part of his life.

Dont fool yourself, think about how irratible you get once youve run out,
and the priority you then place upon getting more.......

Ever missed dinner at mom's place cause you was busy trying to find some
weed--and if so, what excuse did ya give her ???

I spent 30 years inna daze from that shit, and I'm still not quite sure why
I gave it all up about five years ago, after quitting off and on several
times....I just know its very unlikely Im never gonna get stoned on pot
again.........

===

But I'll tell you one thing, just give it up for two weeks and see then how
you feel about things and life in general.......your just looking at the
world through rose colored glasses if you cant at least do that much.

The craving passes quickly, but unfortunately, life still sucks--and perhaps
even more so, I dunno and simply dont care anymore...........I'm not going
back there no way no how.

 

Budda bing. Exactly.

There are a number of legal drugs, and natural substances that will
give false positives, but are easily determined in a lab, using gas
spectroanylasis. Not something the safety manager is likely to have
in his office.

Gunner



"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001

 

"If I'm going to reach out to the the Democrats then I need a third
hand.There's no way I'm letting go of my wallet or my gun while they're
around."

"Democrat. In the dictionary it's right after demobilize and right
before demode` (out of fashion).
-Buddy Jordan 2001