Dell M90 & M65 Laptops Are Up

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Bo, Mar 30, 2006.

  1. Bo

    Bo Guest

    Dell put the pages up and the M90 starts @ $2k, but of course by the
    time I add it all up with options I would order, it comes to just over
    $4000.

    No ship dates are noted yet.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 30, 2006
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  2. Bo

    Bo Guest

    The side issue for me, a long term Mac user, is that my new Mac may be
    the best PC I've ever owned <I use laptops only>. I'm still looking at
    the landscape, letting things settle before I plunk down hard cash.

    Quote from:
    http://switchtoamac.com/site/macs-a...zation-technology-increased-market-share.html

    "New data and benchmarks demonstrating that the Intel powered MacBook
    Pros and iMacs run Windows faster than today's PCs dismiss the myths
    that Macs are slower, behind the technology curve, and are more costly.
    The point I'd like to make is that the Intel based Macs were designed
    and engineered to be Macs that run OS X, not Windows. The fact that
    they run Windows XP faster than WinTel machines proves that Apple's
    hardware engineering, innovation, and quality surpasses its
    competitors."

    There are Facts, Biased Tests, and then Politician's opinions with a
    world between them, and likewise I won't attempt to personally describe
    speeds of various laptops as "fastest", since that is so debatable.

    What is coming to the forefront, though, is the ability finally to run
    both Mac OSX and Windows on a single machine.

    It is about time.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 30, 2006
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    Ken Guest

    But what graphics adapter does the Mac use? If it is not NVIDIA Quadro or
    ATI FireGL, then it is not certified to run any engineering OpenGL apps and
    therefore won't have the proper driver support.

    Ken
     
    Ken, Mar 30, 2006
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  4. Bo

    Bo Guest

    The MacBookPro uses a high end ATI laptop card in 2 versions:

    "ATI Mobility Radeon X1600 graphics processor, dual link DVI support,
    128MB of GDDR3 on 1.83GHz configuration. (or 256MB GDDR3 on 2.0GHz
    configuration)". OpenGL hardware support has been on the Macs for a
    long time.

    I would suspect the Mac engineers are NOT going to miss a chance to run
    their favorite CAD applications by specifying a card which was not
    compatible.

    My whole point was just convey that I may just be able to get one new
    laptop this year, rather than two, as both of them are now nearing 3
    years old.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 30, 2006
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    Ken Guest

    The Radeon line is a consumer level card and is not considered "high end"
    for workstation use and is therefore not recommended or supported by most of
    the 3D engineering apps (in fact it is not supported by ATI for use with
    those apps either). The ATI FireGL line on the other hand is, so it looks
    like Macs do not have the driver/hardware support for the engineering 3D
    OpenGL apps.

    Ken
     
    Ken, Mar 30, 2006
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  6. Bo

    Bo Guest

    256 megs of VRAM is quite a bit for consumer level work.

    The Desktop Workstations will let users install whatever video card
    they desire, so that will work.

    The question will be whether one of the plugin laptop video cards will
    be replaceable in the MacBooks or offered at some point?

    We will see - Bo
     
    Bo, Mar 30, 2006
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    Ken Guest

    It's not about the memory, it is about the higher end OpenGL features that
    are only "enabled" on the workstation class cards and supported by the
    driver, which in turn, are depended upon by the workstation applications.
    Things like Overlay Planes and multi-OpenGL window support among other
    things. You can typically "dumb-down" the application to run on the
    consumer cards were these features are absent, but performance and the user
    experience can suffer as a result, and frequent crashing can occur.

    Ken
     
    Ken, Mar 30, 2006
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  8. Bo

    Bo Guest

    4/4/06 2:00 PM = http://osnews.com/ reports that the rumor is Mac OSX
    10.5 due at the end of this year will support virtualization techniques
    including partitions for Linux and MS Vista.

    http://www.techworld.com/opsys/news/index.cfm?newsID=5712

    This article, separately above, notes that Parallels will release a
    virtualization software for MacOSX that will allow MS Windows and Linux
    to run easily on MacOSX at high speed later this week.

    http://www.parallels.com/

    That doesn't mean all is perfect to run SolidWorks on a Mac just yet,
    but it is getting closer. Video cards obviously need to be approved to
    avoid problems.

    Still, it is encouraging, that a company is reacting this fast to
    changes in the market.

    Bo
     
    Bo, Apr 4, 2006
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