"Delete Me"

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Erika Layne, Aug 18, 2006.

  1. Erika Layne

    Erika Layne Guest

    Will someone please explain the function or the reason why someone
    would send a Solidworks file to someone with the words "Delete Me", as
    the last entry in the design tree, next to the Extrude Boss Base,
    Icon? In the graphics window, is a simple wireframe drawing, seemingly
    unrelated to the actual file.
    I am positive that there is a valid and sound reason for doing it, I
    would appreciate knowing what that reasoning is.
    Erika
     
    Erika Layne, Aug 18, 2006
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  2. Erika Layne

    Gary Knutson Guest

    If a complex model is encapsulated with a simple solid such as a
    cylinder or cube and then saved, the resulting file is usually much
    smaller. If the model is also saved as a wireframe, this also helps
    create a smaller file. The purpose is to prepare the file for e-mailing
    or archiving to save media space.

    The extra feature is the last one in the tree and must be either deleted
    or supressed in order to see the model.
    Gary
     
    Gary Knutson, Aug 18, 2006
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  3. Erika Layne

    jmather Guest

    I call it "putting the model in a box" for shipment. Check the file
    size, then delete the box, shade, save and check the file size again.
     
    jmather, Aug 18, 2006
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  4. Erika Layne

    tgrimley Guest

    Why does it make the file smaller?
     
    tgrimley, Aug 18, 2006
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  5. Erika Layne

    MM Guest

    Solidworks has a very complex file format. Part of this format is Parasolid
    geometry data, a display list, and the "recipe" or the instructions for
    building the part.

    The display list and Parasolid data are the two largest parts of the file.
    When you extrude a cube over a complex part, these two items are simplified,
    resulting in a smaller file. The rest of the part still exists in the form
    of instructions. When you delete the cube, SW executes these instructions
    and rebuilds the original geometry

    All Solidworks really needs are the instructions, and these are very small
    (byte wise) in relation to the others.

    Mark
     
    MM, Aug 18, 2006
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  6. Erika Layne

    Ed Guest

    This is all very interesting! Can someone please explain exactly how
    to create the box around the assembly. Is this like going to the
    center plane creating a big square and then extruding in both
    directions? Has anyone developed a macro for such a task?

    Thanks,

    Ed
     
    Ed, Aug 18, 2006
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    Jeff Howard Guest

    The display list and Parasolid data
    With some parts the graphics info (render mesh) consumes more memory than either
    or, possibly, both combined (a torus might be a good example?). If SW saves
    this with the file (faster retrieval) ...
     
    Jeff Howard, Aug 18, 2006
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    ed1701 Guest

    Has anyone developed a macro for such a task?
    Ecosqueeze does the same thing regarding file size, but without having
    the 'delete me' feature. When you extrude the box you are replacing a
    complciated display list with six planar faces - ecosqueeze just rips
    out the entire thing.
    You can strip out whatever you want - the parasolid, the display list
    (it can also delete the preview image, but that is usually really small
    so I leave it be).

    Still free after all these years at Ecocom.com

    Ed

    (caveat - SWx reserves the right to redo its code at any time, so there
    is a chance that using ecosqueeze could really mess something up. SWx
    urges us not to use any compression/defrag utilties, However, I've used
    it likely thousands of times and never lost a byte of data)
     
    ed1701, Aug 18, 2006
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  9. Erika Layne

    MM Guest

    Ed,

    This method doesn't work on assemblies, only parts. An assembly is nothing
    more than a display list with pointers that reference individual part files.

    As someone else pointed out, Ecosqueeze will do the same thing on a single
    part, a whole directory, or even a whole hard drive. Use at own risk

    Mark
     
    MM, Aug 18, 2006
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  10. Erika Layne

    parel Guest

    So would "Delete Body" work the same way? I assume it would.
     
    parel, Aug 19, 2006
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  11. Erika Layne

    Muggs Guest

    Hey Parel,

    Nope! Just tried it and the Delete Body was almost twice as big.
    Before someone asks, the one file wasn't exactly twice the size, I opened
    and closed the models a few times to make sure that the Windows doubling
    thing wasn't affecting my results.

    Muggs
     
    Muggs, Aug 19, 2006
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    mjlombard Guest

    That is just one of the many ways to make SW files smaller for
    transfer. There are others, in no particular order or guarantee of
    effectiveness:

    - move the part/assembly off the screen and save
    - change to HLR wirefreame mode
    - decrease image quality settings
    - turn off setting to save tesselation data
    - decrease the size of the SW window
    - just do a save as with a different file name
    - enclosing in a rectangular solid is better than a cylindrical solid
    because there are fewer triangles to display for the flat surface than
    the curved surface
    - ecosqueeze or unfrag
    - configurations cause massive file size issues, deleting configs and
    sending a design table separately to recreate the configs can help huge
    configured files.
    - working rolled back can also cause immense file sizes because SW is
    saving body (parasolid) data for each rollback state. not sure how to
    purge this data, maybe the save as trick does it or ecosqueeze

    I would only use these methods on parts that are being transfered via
    FTP or otherwise across the internet - I wouldn't do anything to remove
    previews from files being accessed regularly or archived files. Most of
    these techniques remove the preview data from the file, which can be
    annoying. Archive drives are cheap - I just got a 300 Gb internal drive
    for $90.

    One of the new functions in SW07 which hasn't gotten much attention so
    far is the fact that it automatically creates a preview which is
    independent of the orientation or position the file was last saved in.
    That means some of the techniques above won't work for SW07 files. It
    seems like it changes to an isometric view, does a zoom to fit, and
    captures a preview image.
     
    mjlombard, Aug 19, 2006
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  13. Erika Layne

    mjlombard Guest

    The thing with Delete Body is that it is a history based delete (the
    Delete Body feature is actually in the FeatureManager), so the body has
    to exist before the feature, and it can't be deleted from the actual
    file.
     
    mjlombard, Aug 20, 2006
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