COSMOS: Simulating Cable on a tower - design exercise

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by lmar, Sep 27, 2007.

  1. lmar

    lmar Guest

    Hello,

    I am getting back into playing with COSMOS. For fun I thought I'd
    model up a simple tower (2" sched 40 aluminum pipe ) 30 ft high with
    guywires located 120 degrees apart.

    Thought this would be a straight forward process (which it was) until
    I came to simulating the guywires 1/8"cable.

    My problem is with a side load (due to wind) the bending of the tower
    will 'unload" the downwind cable(s) and "tension" the upwind one.
    Depending on the orientation of the wind it would be possible to
    unload one cable entirely (downwind) and have the two upwind cables
    split the load.

    I am at a loss as to how to simulate the force and boundary conditions
    of the cable.

    Any suggestions?

    Len
     
    lmar, Sep 27, 2007
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  2. lmar

    Joe Guest

    I am not that familiar with Cosmos works. But, had some ideas about
    simulating cable.

    Essentially the idea is to make a series of links connected with pivot
    joints. In your case, you may be able to get by with only 3 or 4
    lengths along the length of the cable. It might be best to make the
    joints between the segments not pivot joints, to reduce the amount of
    freedom, just a plane pivot joint would work.

    Joe Dunfee
     
    Joe, Sep 27, 2007
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  3. I don't use Cosmos, but some codes have cable (tension only) elements.

    Jerry
     
    Jerry Steiger, Sep 27, 2007
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  4. lmar

    mnuttall Guest

    If you don't need to account for the weight of the cables, you could
    replace them with extension only springs. Make your spring constant
    equal to the stiffness of the cable. Actually, if you include a
    preload you should be able to do a reasonable job of simulating the
    weight of the cables as well.
     
    mnuttall, Sep 28, 2007
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  5. lmar

    TOP Guest

    Obviously the cables will be pretensioned and have a significant
    weight. They will always be in tension. Cosmos/M can handle this with
    truss elements which can only take an axial force. You might get a
    beam element to almost behave that way by giving it a real small
    moment of inertia. That coupled with a non-linear elastic material
    definition would certainly come close. I don't know if you can get
    there in CosmosWorks. I use NE Nastran and this kind of thing would be
    a piece of cake.

    One of the things that is important in tower design is the aero-
    elastic behavior and none of the above will catch this easily without
    coupling them with a CFD program.

    TOP
     
    TOP, Sep 29, 2007
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