I want to create a leader from 3 points entered by the user. After the first pick, I need a rubber band to the second pick but the angle needs to be constrained to 15 degree increments. Then ortho is set for the rubber band after pick 2. A lot like the qleader command. I can't see how to do this with VBA. It is the 15 degree part that I'm having trouble with. -mjm