Hi Guys, Been reading this NG with interest. I can relate it to the MicroStation Newsgroup about 3 years ago where we ranted to get an upgrade from V7 to V8. Thankfully, I hardly use it now. But the outcome was for Bentley to create their own Newsgroups on company servers and CENSOR all messages. You complain too bitterly and your message doesn't appear. I feel this NG is heading the same way and must admire SW for continuing with the odd support messages into the group. My suggestion would be that these large companies only know money, number of seats sold and the subs. boycott mentioned a few years ago was one of the best suggestions to get them to listen. Only then did they organize the "Three Amigos" conference. This group is being monitored by other CAD vendors and the present tone certainly doesn't show SW in a good light. Conclusion: Either re-organize the subs. withdrawal threat again which is a very difficult solution as some bugs are PC related or persuade SW to reveal their list of SPR's to all subscribers which will be addressed in the next SP and this time they must address all issues and be rectified BEFORE the next release. Regards, Totally innocent bystander