I saw my first hands on view of 2005 at the Anaheim MD&M show last week. Very, very, impressive. Smart snaps and aligniment seem much more evident. Admitedly the demos were highly practiced, but they showed off the advanced points very well. I also went around to the individual guys outside the demo, and when I asked how certain things worked, they were very competently explained and demonstrated. Things I definately liked: Advanced sketching over imported sketch images Simple Cosmos Mold fill for single gated parts built-in was nothing short of extraordinary for "free" New Tools: Indent where a component can be used to create a recess in a part with a given clearance created = absolutely fab. Other tools I don't have a list with me. Gear train constrained movements was great. Well, I have put everything off to now. Time to get a new hard drive, format for Win XP Pro SP2, add all the antispyware, and antivirus and load up Solidworks 2005. This is the most excited I have been since SWks 2001. Bo Clawson <first name @ my domain>