1000 Page SolidWorks User Guide

Discussion in 'SolidWorks' started by Dave, Feb 1, 2004.

  1. Dave

    Dave Guest

    I don't care how pretty they make it I still never liked it I never liked it
    when SolidWorks took their entire hardcopy user manuals into the online
    help. I see that within the last few days on the subscription services page
    they have posted a 1000 page PDF user guide that is current up to 2004. You
    can download it and print if you desire. They also mention that a bound and
    printed version will be available soon.

    I've been waiting a long time for this.
     
    Dave, Feb 1, 2004
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  2. The printed version was actually available at SolidWorks World. It's
    beautiful!
     
    Rob Rodriguez, Feb 1, 2004
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  3. Dave

    Dave Guest

    Did they say how much it will cost?



     
    Dave, Feb 1, 2004
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  4. It was free at SolidWorks World!!



     
    Rob Rodriguez, Feb 1, 2004
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  5. Dave

    Michael Guest

    you can down-load the PDF for free.
    Kinko's or equivalent will print and bind it for you for ~$60
     
    Michael, Feb 1, 2004
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  6. Dave

    Andrew Troup Guest

    Having agitated for this ever since 1998, I'm delighted that SolidWorks have
    acted on this one.

    Too late for this kid, who exited subscription last year, but I hope it's
    the beginning of a U-turn, whereby SldWks start to treat the established
    userbase as at least as equal in importance to those who are yet to take the
    SldWks plunge

    Keep it up, PARTICULARLY prioritise stability over whizbang half-baked
    features, and I'll be back (apologies to Arnie)
     
    Andrew Troup, Feb 2, 2004
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  7. Dave

    MM Guest

    Andrew,

    I've read several posts in the last few weeks where people mentioned that
    they've dropped maintenance. Not really meaning to be provacative, (tongue
    firmly in cheek), but how do you deal with newer data. I'm assuming that you
    are primary suppliers of data and don't have to worry about it.

    As consultants, my company doesn't really have this option. I am thinking
    about dropping on some of our seats though. We're just not getting good
    value for our money. 11K a year is allot when only three or four seats are
    running the latest release before the next one comes out.

    Regards

    Mark
     
    MM, Feb 2, 2004
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  8. Dave

    Eddy Hicks Guest

    Well, I really sweated my decision but this time around I held back. I
    consider the last year to be very disappointing in terms of ROI on
    maintenance and I'm not convinced that it's going to be better immediately.
    '04 SP2.1 is very encouraging but the statements about 2005 are reason
    enough for me not to want to upgrade again for while. I cannot believe that
    they're planning a new version in less than 6 months. That is unacceptable.

    So what I did was call my largest client and ask what they thought about the
    next upgrade. I got a verbal commitment from them that they won't version
    upgrade again until 12 months go by. They are also tired of the
    compatibility issues that are forced with these too quick upgrades. So
    we're set for awhile with 2004.

    - Eddy
     
    Eddy Hicks, Feb 2, 2004
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  9. Dave

    Andrew Troup Guest

    Mark

    Yes, although I'm also in consultancy, I'm in a business phase where
    typically the solid model data is initiated in-house for the client, rather
    than vice versa.
    The lost opportunities of not being able to easily run with 2004 files are
    (so far) a minor concern in comparison with the (magically vanished)
    workload of keeping version-current.
    I don't miss any of the bells and whistles added in 2004, and what I have
    read of 2005 mentions nothing that would justify climbing back on.
    On the other hand, if SldWks can turn around their development culture and
    get on top of stability, consistency and reliability issues, the lack of
    added functionality would almost be a bonus in my game. I would re-enlist
    like a shot.

    If it weren't for data interchange issues, the FUNCTIONALITY in 2003 would
    cope with virtually anything I have ever wanted to do, if only the
    functionality worked. It needs to satisfy in retrospect, whereas in practice
    it promises to in prospect.

    They are going to have to negotiate the transition from a niche product to a
    commodity product as the technology matures. Humans pander to niche
    products; commodity products pander to humans.
    Fridges made it into the commodity zone very easily (when did you last see a
    magazine called "Your Fridge"?); while VCRs never quite made it. Cars
    (autos) did it, pushbike gearing systems haven't yet, so it's not just about
    complexity.

    In the solids game, it seems likely that some providers will manage to do it
    and others won't. I still think SolidWorks are starting from a higher base
    than anything else I've seen, the product has "great bones", but
    .................



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    Andrew Troup, Feb 2, 2004
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  10. Dave

    Arthur Y-S Guest

    Eddie,

    Not like I am up SW azz or anything, but this has, for the most
    part, been SW business cycle. They have always strived to have a
    yearly upgrade. The development cycle is always a work inprogress.
    Does this mean that they are not committed to present program
    problems, certainly not, but should they just rest on the laurels of
    what they have? Only a fool would not look towards the future.
    I think this type of thinking and business practise happens across
    the board, not just with SW.
     
    Arthur Y-S, Feb 2, 2004
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  11. Dave

    Eddy Hicks Guest

    Hey Arthur, I agree, it is part of all major software life cycles. Yearly
    was manageable. Compatibility issues after less than 6 months?
    Unthinkable.

    - Eddy
     
    Eddy Hicks, Feb 2, 2004
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  12. Dave

    SBC Guest

    unacceptable.

    - At least sw has been pretty good at maintaining a 9-12 month release
    cycle. With pro we sometimes would see much longer times while waiting for
    serious fixes. Inventor, when it was in its initial releases, was shooting
    for 4 month cycles (Striving to keep up with a four-month development cycle,
    Autodesk shipped Inventor Release 3 last week. Most of the enhancements
    center around assemblies, as evidenced by the addition of motion constraints
    as well as predefined section cuts.). I do think they have made a mistake
    by stating a specific month this far out. They have usually been very hush
    hush about release dates. Either way, if you look at the date we're talking
    a minimum of 9 months between 2004 and 2005 and I personally wouldn't be
    suprised if we didn't see it ship until end of sept early oct..
     
    SBC, Feb 2, 2004
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  13. Dave

    Eddy Hicks Guest

    Even if they don't release until late summer/early fall it is still my
    opinion that "SP'S" are mandatory and "NEW VERSIONS" are optional. Anything
    that forces a backward compatibility issue needs to be evaluated on a much
    larger scale than any SP. Fixing what's broken is far different from
    releasing a new version. Honor and respectability enters into the equation.
    2-3 mo's for each SP and 12 mo's for a new version is what I feel is
    reasonable, and in my situation, everyone I deal with agrees.

    - Eddy
     
    Eddy Hicks, Feb 2, 2004
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  14. I started on SW with 98+. At that point SW was still aiming for the Pro/I
    twice a year upgrade cycle. It was about then that they began to slip and
    get out of sync. And it was not much later (was it SW2000?) that they begin
    to introduce more problems than solutions. Every six months was fine when
    the code really worked.

    Jerry Steiger
    Tripod Data Systems
     
    Jerry Steiger, Feb 4, 2004
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  15. Dave

    Brian Bahr Guest

    Keep in mind that the SWX business plan REQUIRES they break there
    software every 12 months to keep the cash flow. Failure to release a
    new non backwards compatible version in 12 moth period would mean
    people would not need to renew there subscription. Why would I renew
    my subscription if I could open 2004 files with 2001? I wouldn't.
    before we switched to SWX we were still using ACAD r14, in my opinion
    the best version of autocad to date, and the best thing was that there
    was no need to upgrade to ACAD 2000 or 2002 because the data is fully
    backwards compatible as long as its a DXF or saved by the client in
    r13/14 format.

    If SWX didn't do exactly everything ive wanted to do for a long time
    and how I wanted to do it this might upset me, but thats a cost I feel
    is justified. (as opposed to M$ Windows (tm) which isn't worth 1/5
    its cost). Im still amazed how SWX operates almost how I always
    imaged an MCAD app should, as opposed to the worthless AME (or ASIC or
    whatever they call it now) solids in autocad work (or don't work)

    -=BAHR=-
     
    Brian Bahr, Feb 5, 2004
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  16. Dave

    Dennis Guest

    Where is this manual supposed to reside?
     
    Dennis, Feb 6, 2004
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